NBA Trade Deadline Update

[00:00:00] Tuesday evening it is we are less than two days away from the NBA trade deadline and I am your host for Front Runner Podcast Collective. My name is Vince and I'm so excited to tell you about what's going on or what we know about.

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[00:01:36] because we are going to try to get you through this NBA trade deadline, which to tell you the truth honestly it has been since the fireworks started with OG and a Novian Pascal C Opem. We really haven't had anything go on.

[00:01:56] So now, here we are, less than 48 hours away from the trade deadline. And there's a lot of things that are being talked about. There's a lot of things that have been speculated. There are a lot of things that have been proposed, but what we have not had is a ton of action, but we're going to get into the stuff that we do know.

[00:02:19] We're going to get into some things that we have some ideas on, and we're going to kind of go from there, and I'm going to propose a couple questions, and that should do it.

[00:02:31] Now, keep it locked here, because if something, if something awesome breaks, we're probably going to do a bonus pot.

[00:02:45] And what I mean by that, it would probably have to be a Dejate Murray trade to someone.

[00:02:54] I would think that would probably register for us to go ahead and do.

[00:03:00] Other than that, I can't see us breaking out for, you know, no offense, but I don't think we're going to be breaking out for.

[00:03:12] So, what's my guys name, like Bruce Brown or something like that.

[00:03:16] But if something goes down that is of note, we will bust in with a bonus pod and go from there.

[00:03:25] So let's get to it. This is what we know. This is kind of where we are.

[00:03:30] Let's talk about the names. There are kind of on top of the list, and we're going to go through it kind of realistically.

[00:03:38] Dejate Murray, where we stand, the Lakers are in pursuit, the Bucks are in pursuit, which makes no sense whatsoever.

[00:03:46] And supposedly the Knicks are in pursuit. Now, I can tell you, the Lakers are trying to get Dejate Murray.

[00:03:57] It has been rebuffed by Atlanta. I've talked about on this podcast previously that Atlanta doesn't really want to take on money.

[00:04:06] They're not looking to do that whatsoever. And DeAngelo Russell to them is not pretty appetizing at all.

[00:04:15] So they would need a third team involved in that. And that is where the Lakers are having the issue.

[00:04:21] So Dejate Murray is still out there. He is just not.

[00:04:28] Anything as far as a trade is concerned is not happening. It's not on the horizon as of right now. Now things can change at a drop with a hat.

[00:04:39] As the hours continue to fall off, teams start to get desperate. They get a little more realistic with their offers and the other teams come down with their demands.

[00:04:53] And then we kind of meet a happy medium. And maybe that's where we'll be.

[00:04:58] But for this point right now, Dejate Murray is in Atlanta.

[00:05:05] My thought is, is that Atlanta doesn't get what they're looking for. They're not going to trade them.

[00:05:13] Now, a couple other names, Andrew Wiggins. Golden State is shopping him. Golden State is trying to rid themselves of this contract.

[00:05:27] They are trying to kind of reimagine their team on the fly.

[00:05:32] I've heard I've seen things about Grant Williams and things of that nature. The bucks seem to have an interest in Andrew Wiggins as well.

[00:05:43] That makes a lot of sense because they don't have a lot of assets to give up. And if you're looking at Andrew Wiggins as a distress asset.

[00:05:52] And you're hoping to maybe revitalize the career a little bit. That might be a by low situation. And in a sense, might be able to allow Golden State to maneuver a little bit.

[00:06:07] If they can get this deal done, like, let's say tomorrow or even later on tonight.

[00:06:13] Because I suspect the fireworks are just about to start.

[00:06:18] So far, we haven't heard anything. I'm giving you what I know.

[00:06:23] But I'm pretty confident that at some point somebody's going to jump out here and we're going to get some deal stuff.

[00:06:33] Let's move on to the next guy.

[00:06:36] Jeremy Grant. Jeremy Grant is on the first year of his first deal.

[00:06:44] Now, the trailblazers are in a unique position. They can definitely trade them. Also, keep in mind, they have Malcolm Brogden as well, and we'll get it to him.

[00:06:57] But from what I've gathered, nobody's come up with any sort of proposal that makes any sense to them so far.

[00:07:06] And they really haven't gotten into any kind of extensive talks whatsoever.

[00:07:15] Kyle Kuzma, Kyle Kuzma basically same situation in Washington. What you're looking at there is that they didn't get anything for Bill earlier.

[00:07:26] So now at this point, they just signed Kyle Kuzma to a contract. If they're not getting first round pick value for Kyle Kuzma at this point, we can wait, a lot of wait, wait and see what that is Washington stands.

[00:07:46] Next guy on the list is Bruce Brown Jr. This is the guy that I'm going ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. This is the guy that I believe will be on the move. He's attractive to a bunch of teams.

[00:07:58] Kyle Kuzma's team is one of the next teams who seem to be the connect the dots team with him. The Lakers seem to have some use for him as well. And a couple other teams as well. Golden State, we've heard their name is in there.

[00:08:16] So one of the things that we're looking at with the next is that he's a tis player, or that's what they've said. He has come out himself and said that he's a tis player.

[00:08:27] My thing is, what's the value, these two organizations got a deal done earlier? Can they go ahead and hook up for a second deal and get the Bruce Brown Jr. to New York, get it cracking for us. That would be great.

[00:08:45] Look out. The Knicks, the Kings, the Warriors, the Thunder, the Hawks, the Lakers, the Nets, these are all teams that have like little pressure points to them.

[00:09:01] Not necessarily in the sense of they have to make a deal, but in the sense of that this is an advantageous market. Can you take advantage of it?

[00:09:11] Can you be shrewd enough to not give up too much on certain teams perhaps? Would it be prudent for certain teams to be patient and maybe wait to the off season, but these are the names of the teams that are really out there really searching.

[00:09:27] OK, see, I will tell you that that is more of a hunch for me.

[00:09:33] And the only reason I say this is that they don't give out information, but if you connect the dots, it looks like they're looking for a big.

[00:09:43] It's been the biggest puzzle piece missing. It's such a stark thing that you look at with that team. They need somebody with some size.

[00:09:53] Um, defense versatility would be great. What you need somebody with some muscle as well. So can't be a string being. You already got one of those with Chad Holgren.

[00:10:05] So you kind of need somebody with some mass to him. So we'll see what they can get done in the trade deadline, if anything, because here is the thing that we have said time and time again with OKC.

[00:10:18] Sam Presti has a bunch of picks. These picks, he will not be able to utilize every last one of them, but.

[00:10:28] If you shed a giddy at one at some point. Well, there's another slot for somebody.

[00:10:36] Case and Wallace could move up somebody can move into case and wallet spot. And there you go. I think the three guys on this team that have made themselves absolutely indispensable.

[00:10:47] Are SGA.

[00:10:50] Jalen Williams, someone from Santa Clara.

[00:10:54] And honestly check hungry.

[00:10:56] I've heard Lou Dort's name out there. Just getting some talk about that.

[00:11:03] Wonder how that would look.

[00:11:05] So, you know, some things to kind of think about as we move along in this podcast.

[00:11:13] Now, let's get to a couple things that.

[00:11:17] Me.

[00:11:21] These are things that I kind of dreamed up. I went through the trade machine and did it as well. So what we're going to do is we're going to talk about some trades that.

[00:11:32] Could happen.

[00:11:34] Have have the.

[00:11:36] Capacity that happened if people can just.

[00:11:40] Kind of think.

[00:11:42] In a sense.

[00:11:43] Kind of open their mind a little bit. So.

[00:11:46] Obviously I'm going to help out the Lakers.

[00:11:50] Doria Finney Smith from the Nets.

[00:11:53] For gate Vincent.

[00:11:56] In Jalen hoods of Shofino and two second round picks.

[00:12:00] Now I've heard that.

[00:12:03] The rumor and the rhetoric that has come out of Brooklyn.

[00:12:07] They are looking for two first round picks for Dorian Finney Smith.

[00:12:12] I'm sorry, no due respect to DFS.

[00:12:16] Dodo is awesome.

[00:12:17] We all know that he brings a lot of versatility to a team.

[00:12:21] But.

[00:12:22] Dorian Finney Smith is not.

[00:12:25] Your.

[00:12:26] Third guy.

[00:12:27] You're missing keys to.

[00:12:29] Your big three.

[00:12:30] He's a complimentary piece.

[00:12:33] You would love him to be able to kind of start with your unit or.

[00:12:37] Come off the bench and provide some depth.

[00:12:40] But this guy is not.

[00:12:42] The game changer that the Nets are trying to make him out to be.

[00:12:46] So.

[00:12:47] The reason why it threw in Jalen hoods of Shofino.

[00:12:50] One is to make the money work.

[00:12:53] The second part of it is to say he will act as the first round draft choice.

[00:12:58] And then you give the two seconds away.

[00:13:01] And then you say hey listen two seconds.

[00:13:05] Obviously we're not playing great.

[00:13:07] Whatever.

[00:13:09] You know if you're banking on that.

[00:13:11] You got two seconds.

[00:13:13] They're probably going to be pretty high if you're thinking that we're going to be terrible.

[00:13:17] And you get a cost control guard.

[00:13:20] Who has a lot of upside.

[00:13:22] Who's not going to get a lot of chance to play in Los Angeles right now with all the guards that are ahead of him.

[00:13:28] So moving him to a Brooklyn Nets team who is starving.

[00:13:32] For any sort of floor general leader whatsoever.

[00:13:36] Jalen hoods of Shofino.

[00:13:38] Should be suffice for the Brooklyn Nets.

[00:13:41] Or Dorian Fanny Smith.

[00:13:43] Now.

[00:13:44] Obviously it takes to the tango if.

[00:13:47] Obviously Brooklyn stays on this this two first round pig mandate.

[00:13:51] Nothing's going to get done.

[00:13:53] I mean maybe if you come off that and you get down to a first rounder.

[00:13:57] Maybe now you can start playing with the seconds.

[00:14:01] Playing with young players back.

[00:14:03] That.

[00:14:05] Seemed to intrigue them.

[00:14:06] I don't know.

[00:14:07] But we'll see as the trade deadline gets closer and closer.

[00:14:10] Couple other things I thought about.

[00:14:16] Actually did a deal for OKC.

[00:14:20] And this has got me thinking that I think they will actually do something.

[00:14:25] Oh

[00:14:27] OKC uses their Los Angeles Clippers first round pick that they got thanks for Shay Gilges Alexander and all these picks, but you turn around and you send that pick with Cambridge Williams and POCU's expiring contract for the Washington Wizards Center Daniel Gafford.

[00:14:55] Now Gafford is on a good cost control contract for two more years.

[00:15:00] Gafford provides the size and the strength next to Chet that you're looking for.

[00:15:05] So here's an idea.

[00:15:07] You're not digging crazy into your bag for picks.

[00:15:14] You got a lot of picks in this particular draft anyway.

[00:15:18] This would be the worst of your picks because the Clippers are having a hell of a year and

[00:15:26] you will get the big next to Chet that you sorely need.

[00:15:32] Obviously that's the big hole in OKC.

[00:15:35] Now Presti again has always been mum.

[00:15:39] We will never know.

[00:15:40] But I thought this was something that was definitely in the realm.

[00:15:45] Something that he could be thinking about, something that is also you can look at Gafford

[00:15:52] as a trade chip down the road as well.

[00:15:54] So depending on what you get in the draft with your pick or with the other couple picks

[00:16:00] that you have, if you don't get what you kind of need, if there's not a Derek Lively in

[00:16:06] this group that's coming out in 2024, you can also then pivot and trade Gafford for whatever

[00:16:16] else you need down the road because at $12.7 million, that's a good contract for a big

[00:16:22] who's athletic, who can rim run and we're in protect.

[00:16:26] So that's the deal that I have for OKC.

[00:16:30] Now Golden State, I do have a deal for them and basically it's more of a, it's a prove

[00:16:40] it trade for both guys.

[00:16:43] Golden State sends Andrew Wiggins and Moses Moody to Portland for Jeremy Grant.

[00:16:52] They would then also send a top 10 protected first round pick in 2027 for Jeremy Grant.

[00:17:00] He throw in Moses Moody for the money.

[00:17:03] You also throw that in because it's a young player, a young wing that has not been able

[00:17:08] to find his way in Golden State to get actual meaningful rotation minutes.

[00:17:16] Now you look at Portland and you say they have a glut to understandable, but you were

[00:17:22] hoking that Malcolm Brogdon is going to leave, we're hoking for maybe a little more symmetry

[00:17:31] in that grad court and also Moody can play up.

[00:17:34] He can play to the three position because he has some size to him and his wingspan is

[00:17:40] pretty long.

[00:17:41] So Moses Moody would be a good little pick up for Portland especially if Grant doesn't

[00:17:47] fit their picture, which apparently he doesn't because all the kids that they have are like

[00:17:52] 20, 21.

[00:17:54] I think Anthony Simons is like the oldest kid and he's 23 somewhere in there.

[00:18:01] So I would look for not saying this is going to happen, but this is something where Golden

[00:18:09] State is really looking to try to do something in a major way to impact their team and give

[00:18:16] out stuff a legitimate two because right now they do not have that.

[00:18:24] You know I'm not speaking out of turn right now.

[00:18:28] Clay is not who he used to be.

[00:18:31] He can't sit there and give you the high 25 on a regular that he was able to do.

[00:18:40] Everything looks hard for him at this point in time.

[00:18:43] And maybe by bringing in another score you can free him a little bit and now he can kind

[00:18:49] of stand and swat up and now you have two guys to chase around which would be Steph and let's

[00:18:55] say Jeremy Grant.

[00:18:57] That would be something to kind of really maybe this will not just boost Steph because

[00:19:03] not all eyes will be on him like Tupac.

[00:19:05] It'll be a situation where now you have another and maybe that also unlocks Clay as well.

[00:19:12] This kind of puts everybody in their proper position.

[00:19:15] It kind of puts everybody in a row where maybe they're a little more comfortable and you

[00:19:19] can take a little stress off of Clay as well because I know he's been going through it

[00:19:24] mentally.

[00:19:25] There was a piece that was done and he was talking about physically he feels fine, but

[00:19:31] mentally that might be a different story.

[00:19:34] So we're hoping that our guy gets back to positive vibes because happy Clay is the best

[00:19:40] Clay and we love him when we see him on his boat with his dog chilling.

[00:19:47] Alright, so hopefully we can get to that.

[00:19:51] Now let's get to a couple of teams.

[00:19:54] Do the next pull the trigger for Bruce Brown?

[00:19:57] I mean this is kind of the worst kept secret in the NBA at this present time.

[00:20:02] We talked about it a little bit earlier.

[00:20:04] These two teams have done a deal before just recently the OG Ananobi trade quickly and

[00:20:12] Barrett go to Toronto, OG goes to the New York Knicks.

[00:20:18] Now, if Bruce Brown is coming, you know that Quentin Grimes is going because that's the

[00:20:28] young player they're going to want back and then you need something to make the money

[00:20:33] work.

[00:20:36] Now they have pieces, Evan 49 is the piece that will probably go back.

[00:20:40] I mean they're not using him and he's a expiring contract so that helps Toronto as well.

[00:20:49] So the Knicks will get a useful player.

[00:20:53] This will kind of add more depth to what they have.

[00:20:57] And this will also maybe free Dante defense Chingo to kind of help out that second unit

[00:21:03] who needs a ball handler.

[00:21:06] Now I might have another suggestion down the road but we'll talk about that when we get

[00:21:11] there.

[00:21:15] Here's the other thing too.

[00:21:17] Quite a step.

[00:21:18] The New York Knicks have stockpiled seven first round picks in the next two years.

[00:21:24] So not saying they want to blow it out for Bruce Brown Jr. but giving up one of those

[00:21:32] picks or maybe protect a pig and give up some seconds, that might be a way to do this and

[00:21:41] still be able to have your war chest of pigs out there or whatever the big fish that you're

[00:21:46] looking for down the road.

[00:21:50] Now this one is a little more uncomfortable.

[00:21:53] We're going to touch on it a little bit but we're going to strictly kind of stay more

[00:21:58] towards the actual player and then the asset.

[00:22:03] Who takes the swing, the very big swing on Miles Bridges?

[00:22:09] Now I say that with some sensitivity.

[00:22:12] I understand what this young man has done and I know what he has pled to.

[00:22:20] I understand a lot of what's going on there.

[00:22:24] So as a fan base, if you're a woman or if you're a guy who has either experienced this through

[00:22:36] like your mother going through it or family member, I can understand where this would be

[00:22:41] a little bit uncomfortable.

[00:22:43] But the actual player, we're just talking about the player, he's an incredible asset.

[00:22:52] He's young, he's six, seven, six, eight, a physical, strong, can help a lot of teams and if put

[00:23:03] in the right position, I think you could rehab the man and the, you know, his public persona

[00:23:17] because if it just comes down to basketball, Miles Bridges is very, very talented.

[00:23:23] Now Phoenix is in and we know why they're in.

[00:23:27] Obviously, this is a very, very distressed asset.

[00:23:32] If obviously bridges didn't have any kind of issues whatsoever that were very, very publicized

[00:23:40] off the court, he would not even be on the trade blog for Charlotte to give.

[00:23:47] So Chris Phoenix, who needs all the bodies that they can get, plus this would be a very,

[00:23:53] very quality body that they would be getting back.

[00:23:56] I could see them emptying everything to get somebody like Miles Bridges because a KD Miles

[00:24:02] Bridges Devin Booker, Bradley Bill with Eric Gordon, that's a little more formidable than

[00:24:12] what they have right now.

[00:24:14] Now, nerdage becomes a depth piece and everybody slides down one more rung down the ladder,

[00:24:23] which they're probably going to be a little more comfortable with that role because remember

[00:24:28] with Phoenix, it is the big three and then everybody else is really at about like 12

[00:24:38] million to less is a bunch of minimal contracts, veterans, veteran minimums and taxpayer

[00:24:49] mid levels and things of that nature and keep in mind, because of the CBA, they're not going

[00:24:56] to be able to go out and get buyout, okay?

[00:25:01] They're not going to be able to take three contracts, stack them up and say we would

[00:25:08] like player B from your team.

[00:25:11] So Miles Bridges might be there kind of swing and you kind of put the off the court stuff

[00:25:21] aside.

[00:25:22] Hopefully, time heals all wounds, he does a lot of work on himself and we keep removing.

[00:25:35] Another team that I thought of with Miles Bridges, that kind of makes some sense, could

[00:25:41] the city of Detroit embrace him?

[00:25:44] He's a Michigan state guy.

[00:25:46] That's the reason for Phoenix, Matt Ispia is a Michigan state grad also played on that

[00:25:54] team as kind of like a you know like third string or whatever case it would be.

[00:26:01] So I can understand the time for Phoenix because desperation, but Detroit, this is more of

[00:26:10] a hey, could we buy low and hit on something and get this kid around Monty Williams?

[00:26:20] Because here's one thing about Miles Bridges that we never have to worry about.

[00:26:25] He does play hard and he plays well.

[00:26:29] He would be highly productive and you could put him at the four position because you're

[00:26:35] probably going to trade Boyang Bogdadevich in the next 24 to 36 hours.

[00:26:44] And then you can keep him moving.

[00:26:46] So here's the way you can kind of slightly upgrade your team.

[00:26:50] You're terrible anyway.

[00:26:51] Now, if you win some games now, you know, it's just it's just fluff because you're going

[00:26:58] to have one of the worst top four worst records in the league that's pretty much locked in

[00:27:05] at this point, but a Miles Bridges for the future play sounds real good in Detroit.

[00:27:15] Another sneaky one is this is now now this is real we're going to talk real crazy right

[00:27:20] now.

[00:27:21] I forgot about this that I wrote this down because this was me just thinking super super

[00:27:28] nuts, but I don't know how it would play in San Francisco, but if San Francisco, if Golden

[00:27:39] State could grab a not all three, but two of the three bridges Hayward or PJ Washington,

[00:27:54] they have the contrast to it now, you know, Wiggins, you know, they say they will not

[00:28:03] move on from clay.

[00:28:05] So really it's Wiggins.

[00:28:07] Do you use Wiggins in this deal?

[00:28:09] Does Charlotte want Wiggins?

[00:28:12] Does that help out Brandon Miller's development and we'll get to him in a second?

[00:28:20] But that was the other team that if they want to take a really like big swing help out stuff

[00:28:27] and also help out their physicality because they definitely need it, that would be a team

[00:28:32] that should be also looking at Miles Bridges even though it might seem a little icky.

[00:28:39] All right, let's move on.

[00:28:44] Now I was going to cut quite a scalp out going to come onto this podcast and let you know

[00:28:49] that with an in B's injury, I would thought that he would have pushed

[00:28:54] They're a player acquisition situation to the to the Austies honestly but reports are coming out that they're gonna be pretty aggressive in this trade deadline so maybe what Darryl Morrie is seeing is that there is some sort of inefficiency in the market that he can take advantage of.

[00:29:24] It'll be very interesting to see what Darryl does in the next 36 hours and listen if Darryl Morrie does something and it's out of left field you know that's a bonus spot so keep it locked here with Front Runner Podcast Collective.

[00:29:42] Now, keep in mind we talked about, I don't know, yeah we talked about this a long time ago but we talked about the Tobias Harris contract.

[00:29:52] It's in his last year and it's 38 million. That could fetch you a really good player plus Tobias is a really good player himself so if you're taking Tobias off this team and you're thinking you can add a really good player,

[00:30:12] good piece I'm very interested to see what Darryl Morrie is trying to cook up and what kind of good he will kind of present will be underneath the Christmas tree for Joel MB when he comes back and he's healthy from the knee surgery

[00:30:32] Morrie is they going to call it a procedure they didn't want to call it a surgery even though he has a tear in his left meniscus that's called a surgery I'm sorry I know the kids want to change all the dialogue but I can't do it.

[00:30:50] All right, Niko, we're really happy about this. This is Niko's guy. We're going to talk some Delaun Wright. Delaun Wright is having a pretty robust bidding war going on for him.

[00:31:07] So the Celtics and the defending champions, your Denver Nuggets are all in on Delaun Wright and you know what I understand it. He's 6 foot 4, 6 foot 5, he's a solid guard, he can initiate offense, he can hit threes, play a pretty solid defense, he's not going to hurt you anyway.

[00:31:31] So if you're putting him out there for 12 minutes to give Jamal Morrie a blow. This is a good thing. And also this provides you with an event in the playoffs that replaces Bruce Brown that you had last year.

[00:31:49] I understand the development of the kids. I get that. And I am a big proponent of doing that. But when it comes to the playoffs and you have Niko Nikilo, your kids on your team.

[00:32:08] And you have an opportunity to win a championship. I'm sure that just having that studying presence will definitely help them.

[00:32:17] We'll see how it all goes, but that war, that bidding war has started.

[00:32:21] Okay, we move on to Toronto. Toronto has other pieces than Bruce Brown.

[00:32:29] And I want to kind of highlight those. Dennis Schroeder would be valuable to any contending team. He's a pest on defense. He's not super.

[00:32:39] It's not, it's not the greatest defense, but he's an absolute pest on it.

[00:32:45] Sometimes he gets lost in the pick and roll because he's a little small, but at least you know the effort is going to be there.

[00:32:52] And he is good for some steals and he has learned how to run a second unit, which is great. We love it.

[00:33:00] And also, we have not heard anything on Gary Trent Jr. And his contract is also at the as a chance to expire at the end of the year.

[00:33:14] So I wonder what that's going to look like. So Toronto might be very, very busy within the next day and a half.

[00:33:26] Minnesota, Brooklyn, the Lakers are all in on Dennis Schroeder.

[00:33:33] What's possible for the heat? That's the next question I have for everybody.

[00:33:44] Their big trade ship is now a Nikola Yolvitch, not Nikola Yolvitch, Nikola Yolvitch, who's a six foot denying like sharpshooter. He's shooting 42.3% from three at this present time.

[00:33:58] So he is their most valuable trade chip because we have taken Jaime Hikez Jr. off the board. Okay, he's not going anywhere. He's standing in Miami.

[00:34:10] He culture, till we die. Cronin, McChrony couldn't be so much more proud of this guy right here.

[00:34:19] So, with Yolvitch being the bobble that they're putting out there and also their pick, what could they get?

[00:34:27] Terry Rogier, so far, hasn't worked out. Now this is just a situation where the lineup, inconsistencies and things of that nature, once maybe you have your solidified starting rotation and three man bench or whatever the case may be,

[00:34:46] Terry Rogier starts to feel a lot more at ease, where he is, and where all the chess pieces are on the board, and he can go ahead and start playing ball like he was doing in Charlotte. But so far, it hasn't looked great.

[00:35:03] So, now that begs the question, is it going to be Tyler hero, this Tyler hero, go somewhere. Who needs shooting? Everyone needs shooting.

[00:35:13] Is this a, is this a Brooklyn Nets thing? Brooklyn Nets have said time and time again, when it comes to Cam Johnson, when it comes to McHale Bridges, they're off limits.

[00:35:27] They haven't really had an appetite to do anything with Nick Clackston. What you have heard, if you heard Royce O'Neill, you've heard Dorian, any Smith, with like the highest price tags on the face of the planet.

[00:35:46] And you've heard some whiskers about Spencer Denwoody. Well, other than that, they're not really looking to do anything. So really, for the heat, I don't know if that moves the needle for you.

[00:36:01] So now, where do you go? Are there maybe some edge pieces that you can get? I don't know. You know, is there, is there a Gary Trent Junior trait that you can get your hands on?

[00:36:15] I don't know. My, my thing is, is that can you reengage with the Portland Trailblazers and see if you can do something with Jeremy Grant?

[00:36:30] To me, that makes the most sense. Here's a guy who can give you buckets. So if Jimmy wants to take a night off and he's kind of bored with the regular season, you can go ahead and do that because Jeremy can go ahead and take those shots.

[00:36:49] And also, you're getting bigger, which is good. You kind of need it. Because if you've seen the East, it's a beast, and I know Miami, I know they are not scared of anyone in the East, and I understand that they're going to have a ferocity when it comes to the playoffs.

[00:37:07] That, you know, a lot of teams aren't really prepared for. We know this about Miami, but I still think they need reinforcements, and I want to see what they do if anything during this trade deadline season.

[00:37:24] And again, I have not soured on Terri Rogier. I want to make that perfectly clear. I think I was the only one crying in the wilderness that Terri Rogier should have been later.

[00:37:38] But I thought it was a perfect heat trade. I still like the trade. Let's give it a little more time before we go. Oh, this is not working is never going to work.

[00:37:51] And we should cut our losses now. Nope.

[00:37:55] And I think Terri Rogier has proven throughout his career that he is a additive player. He has shown in the playoffs that he can, he can ball out. So we are definitely going to keep our stock in the heat, Terri Rogier.

[00:38:15] There's a surprise team out there. Remember, this is the time that in the wee hours of morning that Kevin Durant was getting traded last year.

[00:38:31] I think it was actually tomorrow. So, who is the surprise team this year? We actually have some candidates on this.

[00:38:44] The New Orleans Pelicans.

[00:38:47] They have some draft capital. They have a lot of pieces.

[00:38:53] And they might want to consolidate.

[00:38:58] The one thing that I do push back on it with is that I still wonder, does New Orleans know who they are yet?

[00:39:09] And does it take a playoff run, a real playoff run with Zion healthy because so far so good.

[00:39:19] And then they assess where they are. And then they start making the moves necessary to get themselves to the level that they need to be.

[00:39:27] I don't know.

[00:39:30] Well, we'll see if they feel -- I'll tell you with this trade deadline, if it passes and nothing -- if it's just a margin piece, you know that they still have no idea.

[00:39:44] And I wouldn't say no idea. I'll take that back.

[00:39:47] They're still searching for a complete identity of what this team is going to look like going towards the future.

[00:39:56] The next team on our list is the Indiana Pacers.

[00:40:00] Now, Indiana has already made a move for Pascal Ciacom.

[00:40:05] They do have other things to give. They have young pieces to give and other draft picks.

[00:40:11] They said they weren't done. I do remind you that in our past podcast that we talked about when we did the bonus Pascal Ciacom trade podcast, we talked about they were looking for OG and Pascal.

[00:40:33] So they might be still in the market for another forward.

[00:40:39] So we'll see how this goes within the next day and a half for them.

[00:40:44] Houston is on my list.

[00:40:47] I don't do this for Nico. And I know, yes, you guys can drink because we also talked about the less on this pod, so you guys will probably drink two or three times.

[00:40:58] Houston is an interesting case study. They would like a veteran wing.

[00:41:05] They offered the nets, picks and Jalen Green for Michael Bridges.

[00:41:15] Smart move.

[00:41:17] I dig that move. I see where they were going with that.

[00:41:21] I wonder if there's somebody else out there that kind of fits that mode that they can go ahead and maybe sink their teeth into.

[00:41:31] Do you call up Utah?

[00:41:37] Do you call up Utah and offer maybe Jalen Green for Lori marketing and some other pieces or whatever case maybe I don't know.

[00:41:50] But Houston is looking and I think that their ownership group is not very impatient with this particular iteration of their team since they just got it.

[00:42:07] But if they can be aggressive in the right way, look for Raphael Stone to do something there.

[00:42:18] All right, let's see. I think there's a couple of other things that we can get to and then we can get up out of here.

[00:42:27] I said we were going to talk about the next little bit and I want to kind of talk about one person in particular.

[00:42:34] I want to talk about the next point God Jalen Brunson.

[00:42:40] With Brunson's tremendous toughness and his brilliant footwork and his upper under moves that he's used time and time again, it's on a nightly basis that he's making people look absolutely silly.

[00:42:52] This dude has just been tremendous all year.

[00:42:56] The New York fan base loves him.

[00:43:00] He's their star.

[00:43:02] He's their guy.

[00:43:04] And it seems like an absolute perfect match.

[00:43:09] It's not anything that you guys haven't heard already.

[00:43:12] But let me give you the numbers.

[00:43:14] Okay, 27.3 points a game, 3.9 rebounds a game, 6.5 assists a game.

[00:43:22] He's shooting 48.1% from the field. 41.3% from 3.3 Land 83.5% from the free throw line. He has a effective field goal percentage of 54.8. And he has a box plus minus a 5.0. So he's doing work. He's doing work. And I love it. Cause he got it out of the mud. He worked super hard. He worked.

[00:43:52] He wasn't the AAU kid that type of situation. No shot to AAU kids, but I have a distinct love affair for these type of kids.

[00:44:06] Remember also, he's a second round pick. And the reason why I want to bring that up is not for the obvious reason, because every time we talk about Brunson, they want to bring up that he's a second round pick.

[00:44:21] And the reason why I want to bring it up is because I want to pivot towards the draft for one second.

[00:44:29] What I want to see about this particular draft is coming up. Now, on our last pod, I talked about that on our website, FrontrunnerPC.com, that we had our top 10 list that Nico put out.

[00:44:44] And after the all star game, we'll probably put out the top 20. Might have some adjustments with the top 10. Who knows? We'll see where Nico stands with that.

[00:44:55] But what I want to say about this particular draft is that a lot of people are down on it. And I think people are looking at it wrong.

[00:45:10] Of course, you are looking for a difference maker. Of course, you're looking for something that is going to absolutely take your team to the next level.

[00:45:19] Now, in this particular draft, this is not that draft. Okay, I will be 100% honest with that. But to sit here and say that you should not be excited about this draft.

[00:45:33] If you are a person who really digs the draft or you got into it last year and you saw win by Yama and you saw all these other cats go and all of this.

[00:45:43] Great, fantastic. This year's draft is equally as important and I'll tell you exactly why.

[00:45:52] Number one, Jelly Bronson was the second round pick. That's why I throw it in here.

[00:45:59] The guy that was passed several times, the guy that was underestimated, he was looked past several times like, remember, Dallas, they didn't offer him a contract until it was too late.

[00:46:21] And then the next week then, because his dad works there and all this other stuff. But all he's done is just continue to get better, continue to develop, continue to prove everybody wrong, and now he's an all star.

[00:46:38] So I'm not saying that these kids are that, but what are we talking about with some of these trade scenarios? We're not looking for the star. What we're looking for is rotation pieces. What we're looking for is that fourth guy.

[00:46:55] What we're looking for is a rebounder. What we're looking for is a rim protector.

[00:47:01] There's a lot of that in this drought. There's a lot of star in your role type of guys in this drought.

[00:47:10] You might not necessarily get the guy who is going to be the face of your franchise, the number one option.

[00:47:17] But this is the guy that is going to help the number one option. If you already have identified that guy on your franchise, there's a ton of those guys in this drought.

[00:47:32] And the reason why I bring that up is because we are quick to just go. Oh, well, there's nothing that fascinates me about this draft. So I am going to go ahead and just crack on it.

[00:47:48] No, viable players, players that will play a significant role next year, and probably I'll shine what we thought they could actually be.

[00:48:02] So this draft, yes, superstar, star, leading, no, but critical rotation pieces, guys that can be part of who can be that fourth guy, that fifth guy, that sixth guy, or even the seventh guy on your team.

[00:48:21] There's a lot of those in this draft.

[00:48:26] Okay.

[00:48:33] The other thing that I want to get to, I've been real hard on DeAngelo Russell as a player.

[00:48:41] I actually had a little Twitter or X little back and forth earlier today in regards to DeAngelo Russell, because somebody was talking about, well, we don't appreciate that DeAngelo here and we don't do this and we don't do that.

[00:48:58] And I said, well, there's like six to eight plays a game where DeAngelo will take a shot early in a shot clock with nobody back to rebound, they'll be two to three inexplicable passes that it's like, where are you throwing it to.

[00:49:17] I don't know what's going on.

[00:49:22] And that was kind of the gist of my argument, but I've gone in and looked at the numbers.

[00:49:28] So I want to tell you something, when I do this, I'm doing it for a reason, right?

[00:49:34] Usually I'm trying to, you know, prove a point, make sure that I'm right, but I want to do something real quick.

[00:49:39] I want to do a little thought exercise because there's been a lot of like, well, De Jontay Murray to the Lakers and and DeAngelo Russell is not, he's not a valued asset and this and that.

[00:49:51] Okay, let me, let me, let me give you some numbers that I came up with.

[00:49:57] DeAngelo is a plus 2.4 box plus minus on the offensive end.

[00:50:07] Okay.

[00:50:09] Now he is also a negative 1.7 box plus minus on the defensive end.

[00:50:16] So it was all the stuff that I've said, right?

[00:50:19] He gets lost on defense.

[00:50:21] There's the shot.

[00:50:23] But as a offensive player, he's going to be more additive than his mistakes.

[00:50:29] We kind of delve out to beat.

[00:50:31] It's more on the defensive side where he's going to hurt you.

[00:50:34] He's going to get lost in a rotation or whatever the case may be.

[00:50:38] Now, is he that much of a detriment to winning and is De Jontay Murray to the Lakers such an additive bonus because he's going to give you something completely different?

[00:50:55] Well, let's look at the numbers real quick.

[00:50:58] De Jontay Murray this year is a plus 1.3 box plus minus in offense.

[00:51:05] His defense, however, is a negative 1.0 box plus minus.

[00:51:14] Now, taken to the fact that who his guard running meat is, it's hard, you know, whatever.

[00:51:23] With this in case of leads, all of your stats, you know, everything, you're shooting turnovers, all of it.

[00:51:31] You're a rebound percentage, assist percentage, all of these things.

[00:51:36] But if you look at the two guards, there's not that much of a difference.

[00:51:43] Now, aesthetically, De Jontay Murray brings something way different.

[00:51:48] He's an athlete.

[00:51:50] He might be able to stay in front of guards just on his athleticism alone.

[00:51:56] Now, in the open court, he's going to be prettier than De Angelo because he's going to throw down some dunks for you.

[00:52:04] But is he going to find the right guy or is he going to take it himself?

[00:52:10] What's it going to be?

[00:52:13] So, before we're really, really worried about throwing out a first round pick and jettison De Angelo Russell off to some third team because Atlanta can't bear to take him.

[00:52:32] I don't see the huge difference in De Jontay Murray and De Angelo Russell.

[00:52:41] Now, you tell me you get De Jontay Murray with the likes of LeBron James and Anthony Davis.

[00:52:48] It's a completely different animal. It's going to take off.

[00:52:51] Okay, I'll buy it.

[00:52:53] But if we're just looking at the stats, we're looking at what they are and what the performance has been.

[00:52:59] We've seen enough Atlanta games.

[00:53:02] Now, you want to take the Atlanta Laker game and say that's the poster child for De Jontay Murray, then I'm all in.

[00:53:10] Let's go. Let's let's trade what we need to trade and let's get them.

[00:53:16] But if that's a if that's a every once in a while type of performance.

[00:53:24] And you're going to have some inconsistency.

[00:53:28] What's the big difference between De Angelo Russell and De Jontay Murray then.

[00:53:34] Just flew for thought. Here's the other thing that I want to get to.

[00:53:44] I don't understand what the Bulls are doing to their fans.

[00:53:49] Now, a lot of people reported it. Jake Fisher of Yahoo.

[00:53:54] Shams of the athletic Michael Rado of Hoopsite said that the Chicago Bulls have are eerily quiet.

[00:54:08] They don't have a real appetite for trading Demar DeRosen or Alex Caruso.

[00:54:14] They were trying to do everything in their power until Zach Levine got hurt.

[00:54:20] And then once he got hurt.

[00:54:24] You know, you thought the shift would just come and say, Hey, okay, we're going to go ahead and start moving Caruso and we're going to start moving.

[00:54:32] Demar DeRosen. That doesn't seem to be happening.

[00:54:37] They seem perfectly fine with kind of staying in the middle and seeing what they are.

[00:54:43] And I am disheartened for the fans.

[00:54:47] And I understand that, Hey, it's cool to win some games and you don't want to be Detroit.

[00:54:53] And, you know, and no, this is not a shot to Detroit.

[00:54:57] I'm just saying they've had a visible season. I can understand not wanting to be like 13 and 69 at the end of the year.

[00:55:07] But laws of ball is hurt. Zach Levine is out for the year.

[00:55:14] Kobe White has shown himself to be really good.

[00:55:21] But what other assets do you really have at this present time?

[00:55:27] And here are two guys that I can either get you players back young players.

[00:55:34] Or get you picks that you don't have because Orlando still owns your draft.

[00:55:42] That vouch of this trade killed them.

[00:55:46] And at the time, everybody was saying like, Oh, this is a good thing.

[00:55:51] It makes them better that, you know, they can start getting to the playoffs and doing that maturation process and taking your lumps and whatever.

[00:55:59] It never materialized. It never happened.

[00:56:03] And now they're stuck.

[00:56:05] And now it seems like they're comfortable with it. And I don't understand.

[00:56:09] Demar de Rose is an expiring contract that has value around the league because he's a steady hand that a veteran team or a team that is competing for a championship could use because you know exactly what you're going to get out of him.

[00:56:27] Alex Caruso has a ton of value around the league.

[00:56:34] There are people who say and like you can probably get to first round draft picks because Caruso is such a plug and play guy.

[00:56:45] He's a spot out shooter. He doesn't need the ball. He plays hellacious defense.

[00:56:50] He's a connector on the court. Everything he does is additive.

[00:56:56] He's never going to bark for the ball. He's never going to be like, look at the stat sheet and say, Oh man, I only took like six shots.

[00:57:04] Next time y'all need to get me the ball like six, seven more times. That's not him.

[00:57:11] So I don't understand why Chicago does not pull the trigger, but reports out of Chicago are their standing pack.

[00:57:23] I'm sorry to Chicago fans. It's a tough look. And man, I just feel bad.

[00:57:33] Really do.

[00:57:37] All right. The last thing that we're going to get to is this is that I've been talking a lot lately about the Lakers.

[00:57:46] And the one thing that I've been kind of dancing around is the

[00:57:49] LeBron James of it all. I've been talking about the LeBron business, what that looks like, what happens when you do go into the LeBron business. But I'm gonna give you a little history lesson. I'm going to give you some numbers. And then we are going to harking back to air.

[00:58:17] One thing about LeBron James is that we all know he's been around forever. But what's the

[00:58:23] one thing that we do know about superheroes, right? I'm not saying LeBron's super hero.

[00:58:29] I know some of you guys throw shade on him. But you tell me this, of all the superstars

[00:58:35] out there, all the dudes that had the shine put on them early, has he lived up to every

[00:58:43] bit of it. Oh, and by the way, how much trouble has LeBron James ever gotten into? Oh, wait.

[00:58:52] Oh, yeah, none. All right. The worst thing he did was the decision, by the way, but I'm

[00:59:04] kind of excited about this because this brings two of my favorite things together, comic

[00:59:10] books and basketball, right? So it always happens. You live long enough, if you're a hero, you

[00:59:23] live long enough to become a villain. So what we're going to do is we're going to talk

[00:59:30] about a couple of things. I want those some numbers out for you first before we give you

[00:59:34] the history lesson. So I've been big on the box plus minus because a lot of people who

[00:59:42] are scouts around the league say it's kind of a nice little number. It kind of puts you

[00:59:52] in a perspective of, okay, this, this tells you who the difference to me kids are around

[00:59:58] the league. So it's a stat that I kind of use. It's a stat that I've kind of embraced

[01:00:04] over the last year. I've got to know people and they given it to me in layman's terms

[01:00:11] where then I can look at the number and then look at the player and look at the game and

[01:00:14] go, okay, I see what they're talking about here. So the one thing about box plus minus

[01:00:21] we talked about it takes a lot of your stats in and it's, it includes it and then it spits

[01:00:26] out a number. Now, what I want to kind of do with this is give you kind of a, a little

[01:00:33] chart with it. Now, this is podcast. So it's going to be talked through. We don't have

[01:00:41] this on the screen. So just bear with me. So box plus minus anything above 9.5 is an

[01:00:52] MVP level guy, okay? 9.4 to 7.5 is an all NBA type of guy. Now these numbers have been

[01:01:07] changed because of the offensive explosion over the last couple years. It used to be

[01:01:14] 8 6 4 2 now kind of changed numbers to kind of be indicative of the offensive explosion

[01:01:23] that we've had. So 9.4 to 7.5 is an all NBA player. 7.4 to 6.0 is an all star caliber

[01:01:35] player. 5.9 to 4.0 is a part of your three top rotation guys. He might be your number

[01:01:48] one, but you're probably not going anywhere. But if he's like your two and three and or

[01:01:54] if he's like your two or three and you got a, you know, 7.4 to, you know, nine, you're

[01:02:05] probably doing some things there, right? And then 4.0 to 3.0 is a good starter or six

[01:02:12] man. All right. So 9.4, 7.5 all NBA, 7.4, 6.0 all star caliber, 5.9 to 4.0 part of

[01:02:24] your top three rotation guys, 4.0 to 3.0, good starter, probably your fourth to fifth

[01:02:31] starter and then the sixth and your sixth man. 9.5 MVP caliber. So we all got it, right?

[01:02:38] All right. So here are your current MVP candidates and their box plus minus. Now, obviously we

[01:02:50] know that Joel Embiid probably won't hit the game mark because of the injury. We are saddened

[01:02:57] by that because he was having a phenomenal season. But this is where the nerds win because

[01:03:04] Yokish his box plus minus is 14.3 current stat. I want you to take that in. We said

[01:03:17] 9.5 and above is MVP caliber. He's at 14.3. Joel Embiid, who we all have seen the counting

[01:03:30] stats. We seen the just the regular statistic that we all look at. Great numbers off the

[01:03:36] board is box plus minus is 11.9 plus 11.9. So there's a big gap between Yokish and Embiid.

[01:03:47] So when you look at the numbers and you look at the efficiency, you can see that Yokish

[01:03:51] is as far as offense is concerned. The gap has closed. So I'm being really impressed

[01:03:58] with Envy this year and the SAT to see his year just be done at this point. I know they're

[01:04:04] talking that he might be able to come back. But I thought the word they used that you

[01:04:10] need to tie into was we'll reevaluate in four to six and four to six weeks. So we'll see

[01:04:17] how that goes, right? All right, going down the list again, SGA at 10.4. So he's above

[01:04:26] the MVP caliber list, right? The next guy on that is Luca Donchich. He is he's in the

[01:04:33] all NBA caliber. He is at 9.2. Tyree's Halliburton, who was having an incredible year. And now

[01:04:41] he's kind of slowed down a little bit because of the injuries. And now he's on the minutes

[01:04:45] restriction. So he's at 8.9 currently, which would mean that he would be all NBA type

[01:04:53] Yeah, um, Janus Antitikumpo is at 8.5 box plus minus. And then we have Donovan Mitchell

[01:05:05] at 7.2. And then we have Kawhi Leonard at 6.8. Notice that in those names, I did not say

[01:05:16] LeBron James. That's because LeBron James box plus minus is sitting at a five point

[01:05:26] plus five point seven. This ranks him 11th in the NBA, which is pretty good, right? This

[01:05:35] puts you like, you know, if we just did everything by box plus minus, this probably puts you

[01:05:41] all NBA. Okay. But if you look at the top three or top four on this list, the Yokech, the

[01:05:51] N beads, the SGAs, the Luca Donchich, if you want to throw Halliburton to make it a top

[01:05:58] five. Okay, I'm with that. If you want to throw Janus in there, because he's real close

[01:06:04] to to how to where and I understand that as well. But there is a stark difference still

[01:06:08] 8.5 to 5.7 is a huge image. It's a chasm. And I say all these numbers to say this. Now

[01:06:19] we'll go to the history lesson. Everybody hates the history lesson because they say

[01:06:25] adventure. So, oh, why do you do this? Blah, blah, blah. Well, guess what? You're going

[01:06:31] to get it anyway. On February 7th of 2015. Now, at that time, uptile funk was the number

[01:06:43] one song in the country. Bruno Mars and what's the guy's name, the DJ guy. Brady and the Patriots

[01:06:53] were still together and they won a Super Bowl. That was the Pete Carroll Russell Wilson loss

[01:07:00] game, if you want to call it that. But that was beast mode at the one and a half yard

[01:07:07] line. They decide to throw the football. Oh, dude, gets it touched down or not touched

[01:07:14] down game over. All right. Some of the top shows at that time, The Walking Dead, The Big

[01:07:23] Dang Theory, Empire and the Blacklist. So, on February 7th of 2015, this tweet goes out.

[01:07:40] Stop trying to find a way to fit out all caps. F-I-T-O-U-T all caps. And just fit in, fit in,

[01:07:51] all caps. F-I-T-I-N. Be a part of something special, just my thoughts. In the last while,

[01:08:05] we talked about LeBron James needing real help. If this team was going to be an absolute

[01:08:10] contender, this box plus or minus that I just gave you should be a really good indication

[01:08:17] of what things are really. There is a hierarchy in the league and LeBron, who is immensely

[01:08:28] talented, he has given us years, decades of entertainment. But at this point, he's not

[01:08:37] the difference maker that he makes himself out to be. So then I asked LeBron James this

[01:08:45] question. Before you started taking little meetings in New York City and seeing what

[01:08:52] the possibility of being a Nick is. And I understand you want pressure on the team,

[01:09:02] you want them to be the best they can possibly be. Plus, you're probably looking at it from

[01:09:06] your point of view. I'm not as good as I once was. But maybe for a brief moment, I can be

[01:09:13] great. I get what you're going for. But if they don't have it to give, they can't manufacture

[01:09:21] it out of thin air. So then I asked you the question, LeBron. Stop trying to find a way

[01:09:29] to fit out and just fit in. Be a part of something special, just my thoughts. So I'll

[01:09:40] get I'll leave you guys with that. This is what's gone on so far. Nothing, you know,

[01:09:47] absolutely nothing. I'm going to look at my phone one more time to make sure that we have

[01:09:51] not missed anything. As of right now, let's see. Okay. It looks like there's some Michael

[01:10:06] Scott of who type is said they're interested. Looks like bone tiling might be on the move.

[01:10:20] No, no further discussions on the Dallas Golden State Andrew Wiggins trade. No movement on

[01:10:31] that. But the mass seems to be focused on Kyle Kuzma and PJ Washington. No, so right

[01:10:43] now we're still in a holding pattern. We are. How can I put this? Things are going to break

[01:10:56] and I think things will start breaking tomorrow. But things the one thing about it is until

[01:11:02] that time gets real, real close, people don't have that pressure on them. I think things

[01:11:07] when you wake up tomorrow morning and you go, Hey, if we don't get this deal done in next

[01:11:12] 24 hours, we might be stuck with this cat. And I'm going to tell you right now, and I've

[01:11:17] said it like three or four times during this podcast. So go back and listen to the archive

[01:11:22] pods. This collective bargaining agreement they put together. There are severe penalties

[01:11:30] if you are in that first and second apron. The second apron is devastating to be in.

[01:11:35] So you have to have the right team. All your pieces need to fit. It needs to be pretty

[01:11:41] much in lockstep. And you're just going out to get a piece to do it right now. So keep

[01:11:47] that in mind. All right. So nothing on the horizon. We will get back on Thursday. If

[01:11:55] something breaks before then you know where you can come get it. You can come get it at

[01:12:00] FRPC, which is front runner, podcast collective. I am your wholesome.

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